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Discussion => Silk Road discussion => Topic started by: efil4zaggin on June 19, 2011, 10:27 pm
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Im in major shit and need advice, I had an order for one ounce of weed and a gram of coke originally the seller and i agreed on normal post but because of the canada strike he sent ups, at first i thought this would be ok but when i decided to cancel the same day , then silk road went down , on friday the shipment tracked as in my country ,Ireland -very fast i was expecting a tuesday delivery , i rang ups-ass holes, to give my phone number because they always have trouble finding my house. two hours later i have 4 cop cars and a sniffer dog outside my house with the package they dident even attempt to do a controlled delivery i was in shock and addmitted to it because they knew that i rang earlier on from my mobile. The vendors packaging was sloppy and the coke was not vacuum sealed and it was all shipped in own packaging along with toy cars and dinasaurs and such. im in deep shit and i have 2 more orders on the way to my address i have to cancel them somehow , could anyone advise me what to do im really worried can they do anything over one ounce and a gram , i dont deal
thank you
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So the police delivered your package to you? :o
I'm willing to lay money on this being the same guy/troll from earlier trying another incarnation of his lame story again I bet.
But in-case I am too quick to judge and you really are worried. They cannot do anything to you for an ounce of green and a gram of coke, just say its personal use and with those amounts its well believable. The most you will get is a fine (if you have no previous offenses). I have a farmer friend who got caught with a house full of green, about 20k in cash and all sorts.. he got let off with a fine and they didn't even take his house away. You are fine with your 1 ounce of green and a gram of coke.
Now the thing is, if this really is true then you need to expose the vendor that sent you the gear in such a shitty way. This is serious and he could be putting others at risk.
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another crazy story of someone being buster. all you gotta do is verify. what is the seller's name and why is it you have access to the internet? did you make bail or something?
if the packages were sent there is nothing you can do but we sure would like to know the seller who would ship in such a dangerous, not to mention STUPID manner... which is why it is hard to believe you in the first place.
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I was going to call BS but figured why not see who is listed in the right country mentioned selling the right things. Look up seller called LOWTEK, profile even mentions sending a ups package recently. so maybe its true.
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You got it right it was LOWTEK, he seemed like a nice guy but damn ,i got another look at that package today, yeh he did use canada post packaging and not ups box and it was labeled as toys for small kids with no customs declaration or tax ,id say customs wanted to tax the shipment and oppend it. The cops dident even deliver the package nobody did they just first raided my place and then showed me the package, i was asked to go to police station today where they arrested me for possession for supply held and questioned me for hours on camera. Fuckers cornered me into saying that i might have shared with friends ,they told me that even giving a toke to someone is supply. I dont know how to get rid of this supply charge
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If you were busted, why are you not in jail? How did you see the package if the police confinscated this? Your post makes no sense.
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if you were busted honestly the seller might have sucked but you bought weed and coke from international and didnt question how it was packaged? you know there are tards out there who are to cheap to buy a vacum sealer. you bought 2 of the worst drugs to make it past sniffer dogs and you didnt question packaging from some dude with no rating. ratings are there for a reason, you know they know how to package properly. no rating means you have to question packaging big time. buyers on this site take alot of risk dont be stupid and not ask questions regarding packaging. its your ass on the the line. gl with the cops and dont narc on the site.
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You know i figured with that other guys story, he was maybe trying to speculate on Bitcoins. But this? Bullshit...
The cops would have given you something to sign if this were true. Upload it or it didn't happen.
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Hey they released me after questioning, being arrested was just the procedure for the interview and yes i did question the packaging and the seller did vacuum seal the weed so i supposed he did the same for the coke it would have been fine through the normal post but ups without their company packaging is not good, I did not have time to ask anything when he changed the shipping to ups because silk road went down. zifnab stop being an asshole
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if its your first offense and you can argue personal use, then the fine is 381 euros.
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Thanks for the advise everyone
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I'm not trying to be one. Ok, lets say you're on the level in which case my apologies.
But cops don't haul you in, question you and let you go without some kind of documentation.
I find it funny that with posts like this, when someone asks for proof they get sidelined, spoken over, ignored or called an asshole.
efil4zaggin, if you've got packages on the way you're going to get another visit in which case it really depends on what you told the pork in your first interview. Did you use plausible deniability? Even though it was sent to your house was it addressed to your name? I assume it was since you'd have to sign for it.
Maybe get out of town when you think they're arriving so you can say 'See, i don't know anything about 'em, i wasn't even around when they arrived!' .
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I can't take this seriously unless you upload a scan (with personal information obscured, of course).
What is the BTC address used to make payment? And what is the address you sent payment to?
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zinfnab i am on the level. I dident for ask any documentation and wast given any, I was told that I may be summoned to court In 5 months time. No I did not use plausible denaibility because I rang ups from my mobile on that morning to attach a phone number to the address as i did not think of doing so when i thought it was going to be sent via the standard post . I did not even get delivery of the package and was not asked to sign for it. the cops already had it
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Mt gox is down- dont know what is going on with it so i cannot get the btc addresses. anyway this is an open forum with le probably on it i dont want to post too many details and i have already posted too much
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This story is just full of holes.
You realize that by your logic, I could mail anyone a package, call in and say they should be on the lookout for a suspicious package, and while in transit they could arrest them before they even sign or receive it.
Obvious troll is obvious. scans of gtfo.
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Fuck you with your scans, silk road himself told me to seek advice on these boards.
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Where did you tell the cops the package came from?
Also fuck me? If you are telling the truth, you have already admitted its your package, you have confessed to sharing and possibly supplying to. You want advice, Lawyer up because you are fucked. Leave town and go on a vacation.
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Im in major shit and need advice, I had an order for one ounce of weed and a gram of coke originally the seller and i agreed on normal post but because of the canada strike he sent ups, at first i thought this would be ok but when i decided to cancel the same day , then silk road went down , on friday the shipment tracked as in my country ,Ireland -very fast i was expecting a tuesday delivery , i rang ups-ass holes, to give my phone number because they always have trouble finding my house. two hours later i have 4 cop cars and a sniffer dog outside my house with the package they dident even attempt to do a controlled delivery i was in shock and addmitted to it because they knew that i rang earlier on from my mobile. The vendors packaging was sloppy and the coke was not vacuum sealed and it was all shipped in own packaging along with toy cars and dinasaurs and such. im in deep shit and i have 2 more orders on the way to my address i have to cancel them somehow , could anyone advise me what to do im really worried can they do anything over one ounce and a gram , i dont deal
thank you
I know nothing of Irish law, so can't comment on the repercussions of what you say happened.
However, I'd like to point out that customs is the biggest potential point of failure for any transaction on Silk Road. When a package crosses country borders, customs does not need any form of warrant or probable cause in order to open and inspect a package. You could have the best packaging in the world, and a thorough determined customs examiner is going to find what's inside. Assuming that what you describe is accurate, poor packaging may indeed have played a role. However, if you want to play it safe in this game, you don't place orders that put you at the mercy of customs inspectors. There's no shortage of EU sellers, and one of them would have been a better choice than something that was trans-atlantic.
There are a number of guidelines that you should always follow when ordering online.
1. You must have plausible deniability. I could order drugs and have them sent to any address in the world. I could set someone up to be busted by picking a supplier who packs poorly, and ensure that the package passes customs. Plausible deniability means a couple of things: no evidence on your computer that you ordered something, and no other external evidence to connect you to the buy. You obviously violated the second of these by calling from your phone number.
2. Never, ever admit to anything. There's NO possible benefit from admitting to being guilty. The police already think you are guilty. How could you possibly make things better by admitting it? I don't know how Irish law is written, but in the US, as first contact with police, I'd be denying everything and asking for an attorney. It doesn't matter if the police tell you that they know you are guilty. They DO know you are guilty. Don't make it easier for them by admitting it. Make them prove beyond reasonable doubt that it was you, and not someone else who broke the law.
3. Know your local law. Legal codes vary from country to country, and in the US, even state by state. If I were to order drugs from overseas (living in the US), I'd be violating a combination of local and federal laws. Different jurisdictions have different interpretations of what "possession" means. In some cases, it might mean that you are holding it in your hands. In others, it might simply mean that you control the transit of that item. If you're going to order something online that will literally ruin your life if it goes bad, make sure you understand the consequences. A good criminal attorney should be happy to talk about hypothetical situations with you long before anything happens. Given that a single felony bust will cost you thousands of dollars/euros/pounds, a small investment in consultation with an attorney is cheap.
4. Always have a lawyer before you need one. It's a lot harder for police to brow beat you into a confession if you know that "Bob the lawyer" is just a phone call away. It's a lot more intimidating when you are being interrogated and you start thinking then "Holy crap, who do I call!"
There's nothing in your story that strikes me as egregiously true or false, but you clearly made some mistakes that are independent of SR or BTC.
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As important as a lawyer, is to always know a good bondsman, and it's not a bad Idea to go and introduce yourself to him, make sure you have arrangements ahead of time. Sometimes shit happens, and just cuz your not some street thug from the ghetto doesn't mean that this isn't considered a serious offense.
The main thing, the *very* main thing, is not to say anything!: be surprised and horrified that someone would even *think* you would engage in anything like this, and be sure to say "*no* you can't take a look at my computer without a warrant."
Sitting in front of a computer screen seems to lessen the danger to some of us, and that is unfortunate, because we get our guards down...it's a harsh and terrible lesson, that some of us have to learn. I don't want to see anybody hauled off, but if it happens, you just *have* to hold your mud and practice meditation or something...the desire to talk to the cops, as if by admitting everything they'll give you slack, is a dangerous delusion.
Good luck to anybody who got in trouble over this, and as the man said: get a lawyer! This is no time for asking people on here what to do if you get pinched.
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there's been a bit of hype in the media about SR, so it's almost certain that the DS is aware of the place. THEY MAY MAKE AN EXAMPLE OF YOU. Lie through your teeth about it. Do not admit to knowing the site if you haven't already. Say you got the order from here: http://g7pz322wcy6jnn4r.onion/opensource/ovdb/ac/index.php .
Say the coke was some other chem and you must have been sent coke by mistake. Lie, lie, lie and talk a solicitor that specialises in drug charges.
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Why is your advice to him to snitch on another forum? Why is your advice to say he got it from one huge public forum instead of another huge public forum? Law enforcement already know both of these places.
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Its funny, I saw a program on tv with the exact same scenario just last night and that was a repeat from about a week ago.
I mean EXACT same scenario. a guy had coke sent to him in Ireland from the USA and it was sent with and Labeled as kids toys.
Strange coincidence..
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Why is your advice to him to snitch on another forum? Why is your advice to say he got it from one huge public forum instead of another huge public forum? Law enforcement already know both of these places.
He wouldn't be snitching on either forum. The silk road specifically has been on the news, on tv etc. I am trying to give the guy a bit of advice not to mention the place. Their ears might just perk up.
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I told em that i got it from Bud mail and that i did not know about the coke and that the seller was going to send me a sample of something as a surprise ! phubaiblues , they told me if i coperate they will cut me some slack im not sure if they are lying or not
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HAHA EgoDeath,,,,yeah real strange lolololol
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@efil4zaggin
You told them you ordered it so your done. You have no idea who sent to you and no way to find out so you couldn't cooperate with them if you wanted too. Get a lawyer, do what he says, hope for the best and for God sake STOP TALKING TO POLICE.
Next time keep your mouth shut and you'll avoid being convicted.
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who did you buy the cocaine from? i want to order some
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Lol@the guy trying to point them to open source.
Really, just fuck you. what the fuck man.
He better just get a lawyer, revokes everything he said and says it was some idiot sending him that shit because he mentioned to be in deep trouble if this is the case, and say you didn't even pay or something.
fuck that guy that pointed you to open source, really.
greets, M
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Mt gox is down- dont know what is going on with it so i cannot get the btc addresses. anyway this is an open forum with le probably on it i dont want to post too many details and i have already posted too much
Cops gotta work, show accountability: these forums are just an irritant to them, if that...it's just talk, don't mean nothin', 90 per cent bullshit, just like all the thousands of other dope forums...don't mean nothin...again, your story just confirms what I've felt all long: we pay far too much attention to the fun technical details of this stuff, and not near enough to the last part: when, where and how we do the pickup...better be prepared for all kinds of shit: bad packaging, bad luck, bad seller...but anyway, doesn't sound so bad, mostly a learning experience...no free lunch...no free anything...
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nvm.
don't order to your house.
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Hello all I am new to this site and don't usually post but I saw this thread and thought I could share my experiences with you.
I am in the UK an have been busted twice for cultivation. Each time, as is required by UK law, when I was booked in the custody sergeant offered me a solicitor, which I duly accepted. I was advised to say no comment to each question. I ended up with community service each time, no fines, caught red handed on site.
As for time in custody I was in and out on bail after 12 hours the first time and then 4 hours the second. It depends how busy they are and how much of a risk they think you are.
efil4zaggin I don't think that you have much to worry about. I had over 4 oz and 11 plants the first time and still did not get charged with intent to supply. For just 1 oz an a gram I can't see you getting any thing more than a small fine and/or community service especially if its your first offense.
If you didn't take a solicitor, which it seams you didn't, then you need to get one. No need to get charged with or admit more than they can prove. Also admitting your guilt at the earliest possible opportunity can work in your favor, you may get a reduced sentence.
hope everything works out for you.
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Most people are terrified the first time they get in trouble w/law, and justdesperately want to make it go away. It's just human nature. Sometimes I think we've seen too many movies and cop shows, and think we'd act all tough and be stand-up guys, when the reality is much different, and usually a friendly cop gets all the info they want. Why defense lawyers stay busy.
By the time you learn to keep quiet--be friendly, chat if you must, but don't say anything important--you've already been thru the mill a few times, and often have a record, sadly.
To the OP: don't be too hard on yourself, you've acted pretty much the way most people new to legal problems act, and what's in your favor is mostly the design of SR itself, which protects dealers from the occasional terrified buyer in custody, and also the simple fact that you are small potatoes, and they probably don't want to even bother with this. Probably get a slap on the wrist and a cheap lesson out of the whole thing.
Its o.k. to change your story: say you were frightened and confused...
Cops actually want the bad guys, not some poor bloke getting a little bit of dope...and they know you can't really give them any info, so my impression of this whole thing is you'll be alright.
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Lol@the guy trying to point them to open source.
Really, just fuck you. what the fuck man.
He better just get a lawyer, revokes everything he said and says it was some idiot sending him that shit because he mentioned to be in deep trouble if this is the case, and say you didn't even pay or something.
fuck that guy that pointed you to open source, really.
greets, M
Get bent and suck some dick, asshole.
"greetz"
what a fucking bender you are
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Why would you EVER cooperate with police? They have neither the desire nor the capacity to do anything to help you, ever, in any situation.
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it is human nature to answer questions, it is easy to say don't talk to the police, but reality is different and it's real.
There is no way first-timer can keep mouth shut, learned it hard way myself.
It is unnatural to keep silence, takes a lot of self-control and will power.
Don't worry, you will learn how to shut up with experience, 2nd and 3rd arrests are much easier to cope with ;)
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it is human nature to answer questions, it is easy to say don't talk to the police, but reality is different and it's real.
There is no way first-timer can keep mouth shut, learned it hard way myself.
It is unnatural to keep silence, takes a lot of self-control and will power.
Don't worry, you will learn how to shut up with experience, 2nd and 3rd arrests are much easier to cope with ;)
Exactly. And shows the genius of this site. The sellers are protected from some panicky person. The danger here is on the buyer, but buyers are not that big a deal, but at the same time, are the most exposed. Sometimes I get frightened--i've learned much the hard way...and try to remember to be always vigilant.
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you did everything wrong.
you talked.
you admitted to it.
you provided clear links to you and the purchase.
nobody can give you any advice to help you with the situation you put yourself in.
good luck.
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you did everything wrong.
you talked.
you admitted to it.
you provided clear links to you and the purchase.
nobody can give you any advice to help you with the situation you put yourself in.
good luck.
Yeah, but I'm not sure a lot of people on here would have done any better, and it's a fucking *gift* that he posted on here, rather than just eating it, and keeping it to himself, as most might have done...this--to me--was a very cautionary post/thread, and hopefull will give those who *don't* take this seriously a bit of direction, at least on what *not* to do...very very easy to not take this thing too seriously, or to play it like a spy game or something...when often, like this, it'll just be some plain old ordinary fuckup that'll bring a boy down...
I think this thread struck a chord with a lot of people, but I give the guy some slack because I think this will/has happened again...and again...my worry is when something stupid happens to a seller, and maybe he does get pinched, and maybe he can hurt a few people...we keep telling ourselves 'they don't want the buyers!" ... but I'm not sure of that at all: they nab a few buyers, it'd scare the piss out of people on this site...called 'setting an example...'
But in any case, I *do* want people to post their negative experiences...it might tip us off if something is coming down all over, for one thing....and I don't expect too many heros to be sitting in front of their computer screen, either...just regular joes who know how to use a mouse... :)
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i would encourage you guys to listen to the anti-terrorist,i have bought both his books, look past his daft mask and take in what he says cause he speaks the mother fucking truth in everything he talks about....he has made loads of youtube vids which i find quite addictive...
dealing with the police:part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE8rfefPQ24
dealing with the police:part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8XwehIHSnQ&feature=related
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You said the pkg was shipped without a Customs Declaration. I honestly don't see how it could have ever left Canada without a Customs Declaration. It couldn't possibly have been processed for shipping without it. The only parcel that doesn't require a declaration is documents.
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The law in the Irish Republic is similar but different to that in the UK. There are no bail bondsmen as bonds / sureties aren't the massive amounts as in the US. You can be released without bond, simply to return to the Gardai (Irish for 'Police') station at a given time. The bail will be explained to you verbally by the sergeant on release and it is quite believable that you would walk from the station with no paperwork. I've been in and out in two hours - depends on how busy they are, the nature of the offence etc.
See http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/arrests/ for more info.
There was no mention of a solicitor being present at the interview. The Gards can't lead / pressure an arrested person or trick them at interview - OP should take legal advice (from the FLAC for free or his/her own solicitor) and ask for the copies of the interview tapes. The OP needs to get rid of the 'Possession for sale or supply' part of the charge as it has a bigger fine (up to €1270) and the possibility of gaol time. Seems s/he was pressured into that part, needs looking at by a legal advisor.
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How dumb are you? Why did you phone to check on the package using your own mobile? Why did you have it shipped to your HOME address?
1. Phoning was a mistake but if you really had to you should have done it from a pay phone or throwaway cell. This would give you the ability to deny you ordered it.
2. You admitted it (seriously wtf)
3. You talked to the police, you should never do this even if you're innocent. Tell them you won't speak until you have talked to your lawyer.
Basic rules of life, the cops are not your friends unless you are the victim, and remember they have to PROVE you are guilty, well unless you're an idiot, use your own phone and then admit to the crime.
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don't grill this guy, he needs comforting
don't worry, you are going to be ok, just don't help them to do their job
most important: be polite, calm, neutral, don't scream, don't yell, policemen are humans also.
just stay firm on your rights, don't be afraid
you are going to be OK, this is not DUBAI or THAI, nobody is going to kill you
everything comes with experience
a get duty solicitor if you can
if police offers you a great deal then accept it, but don't plead guilty before you make legal contract with them
they are sneaky, once you plead without a deal they have you
deeper understanding to why it is not good to talk to police will come with experience
"most valuable commodity is information" GEKKO MONEY NEVER SLEEPS
and yes watch anti terrorist on youtube
your fear must be covered with new level of anger above to resist them, but control this anger
you fear - you are controlled,
you angry - you win
put yourself into a mental position:
I AM A HUMAN BEING, MY LIFE HAS VALUE, GOD DAMMIT :), I HAVE MY RIGHTS, NOBODY CAN TAKE THEM AWAY
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Wow the thread was resurrected - wonder what happened to the OP.
Remember deny and don't sign, friends.
Peace,
DigitalAlch
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I saw a custom order being made by a vendor for efil a couple of weeks ago, so it seems like he's still around. Efil if you read this, i actually would like to know how it all turned out.
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Whyd you ever admit to guilt? That was your very FIRST mistake. All you had to say was "wtf are you doing here do you have a warrant? No, I have no idea who that package is for. I called UPS regarding a different shipment. Get off my property now or come back with a warrant. have a joyful day Mr. officers." They didnt know shit or they would have never asked. NUMBER 1 RULE of ANY Criminal. NEVER ADMIT TO GUILT. Unless youre looking for a plea bargain. But especially never on initial questioning. Plain stupid & I feel no remorse for you. Just a heads up if any of you are truly worried then have all packages delivered with a fake name. When package arrives put it somewhere in your house, unopened, for at least 36 hours. If any ones going to come they will come within a day. When they arrive simply say you received this package in the mail. It didnt have your name on it & you werent expecting it so you planned to take it into the post office and just havent had the time to get around to it.... Besides that no one should order from the piece who thinks since there is no risk for him he can just conduct business any old way & take no caution. He should, in all honesty, be booted from Silk for his negligence. Hopefully we can all work together to avoid a similar fate for any of us :)
-MR. CranE-
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Well anything ive had from the USA by UPS is always taxed to the hilt,Then UPS charge on top for collecting the Tax,its more money for them .so no declaration/value probably upset them ,Reckon irish dude may be lucky with a fine /community work.provided he doesnt implicate himself with international trading net.unfortunatly to many sellers rush into this without thinking about the consequeces of bad delivery.
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Where did you tell the cops the package came from?
Also fuck me? If you are telling the truth, you have already admitted its your package, you have confessed to sharing and possibly supplying to. You want advice, Lawyer up because you are fucked. Leave town and go on a vacation.
def lawyer up. also, good job confessing to things you didnt do. also, youtube "dont talk to cops"
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Some guys has said it's stupid ship to your home adress, but what another one can I use? The adress of police station?
EDIT: I was thinking and you can rent a mailbox (PO Box), but you need to go personally to the postal unit with your documents, so it's not a good idea, unless you have a stooge.